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Korean Wikipedia


I already wrote this in Edit Summary of God of Noodles page. But, just to give more thorough explanation:


Reviews, notes, and external links sections

For external links, keep the focus of the links to primary and secondary sourced sites, or sites are known to be credible throughout the TV show community.

Kor Wiki is NEVER a must insert for K Dramas pages in Dramawiki. As long as there are other more verifiable and useful external links. There is no important things in K Wiki that haven't been provided in Official site, KBS World/MBC Global site, or Daum/Naver. In fact, it's advisable we don't follow blindly the informations in K Wiki, because Wikipedia articles are freely ed by everyone, so mistakes are often happen, esp. Korean Wiki because Wikipedia Kor is still not bound by the obligation to put references, unlike Wiki English & Japan, for example.

Thanks for the attention. Feel free to ask me anything. Happy ing! --Helena89 (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

There is no harm to put Korean Wikipedia as one of external links. The guidelines were created almost 10 years ago and need major updates as ors keep changing by time. Unless the page already got FIVE - SIX external links or have english wikipedia link, then you might want to consider remove the korean wikipedia. Just my two cents. --Natokajun (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Korean Wikipedia is not a required source, but some of us that do a great deal of ing on Dramawiki find it a useful resource, which is why I include it on series pages I create or make major s to. I have found its information no more or less reliable than other secondary sources like Daum/Naver. Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production crs, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites. You may personally choose not to use Wikipedia as a reference and that's fine. I simply request that you do not go out of your way to remove the links I have added; they're really not hurting anything and it saves me a lot of time. Thank you. --FritzB (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Korean Wikipedia also often contains considerably more extended cast info, production crs, TV ratings data, and details of broadcast schedule interruptions, not found on other sources, including the network official sites

Those kind of informations you mentioned, from the time I started on Dramawiki (2014) until now, I always find them in either Official site, English sites of the broadcast networks, or Kor Portals. Like @Natokajun mentioned, I think it's OK for Kor Wiki to be inserted when there's no other primary/secondary sites being opened just yet. But, if there already are, then better to replace Kor Wiki to other more reliable sources, either with English Wiki or Hancinema pages.--Helena89 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Let's not compare the year of starting on dramawiki. Editors keep changing.....every or has his/her own preferences and ing style. Lets respect each other's. The ready guidelines are not made to be strictly followed. As long as no download links or site for self-promotion, they are okay for external links. As for me, i prefer Korean wikipedia over daum / naver as wiki has higher probability for english version. But some of them are not reliable so must be careful when use them as sources. Afterall, dramawiki is mainly for english reader not for hangul reader. Just my opinion. --Natokajun (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
No source (even the official site) is thoroughly complete or free of possible errors, so it's always prudent to check with multiple sources. That's why I am of the opinion that, within reason, you cannot have too many links, even if they may have overlapping information. I wouldn't even remove a Korean Wikipedia link, even if there is a link to an English Wikipedia page - the English pages are seldom as thorough as their Korean counterparts and they usually lack the actor/actress interlinks. When you are trying to distinguish between actors with the same names, those interlinks are very helpful (ie. Is it Kim Soo Hyun (1978) or Kim Soo Hyun (1988)?).
Unless the link not relevant or is actually broken (like all the profile NATE links), I see no reason to ever remove it. A fellow or put the link there for a reason and its being there doesn't really hurt anything. --FritzB (talk) 17:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I hope you are aware that every wikipedia page are linked to multiple language wikis. Most pages on english wikipedia are linked to korean wikipedia (you can find it on sidebar) and vice versa, thats why only one wikipedia is left on external links if both languages exist. If im not mistaken, there is a discussion somewhere on dramawiki english wikipedia link is prefered over japanese, korean or chinese to prevent redundant.--Natokajun (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of the link, but for me, as an or, it's just a bothersome extra step to get to the info I need. It's certainly not a big deal and I understand for the average user the English is naturally preferred. Most of my work on DramaWiki is with new upcoming and currently airing dramas and English Wikipedia pages rarely exist for those, at lease not right away. --FritzB (talk) 23:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi, i just want to ask your opinion regarding this user. As she contributing on upcoming kdrama and some ratings page, any dispute of info that can be detected? Also for drama The King Loves did you find any info regarding episode numbers so far? Because ive heard from social media, some complaints how dramawiki giving false info regarding drama's episode number. As one of ors, i feel bad about this. Ive searched it through the other day but couldnt find it either if its confirmed 40 episodes. If its really a wrong info and more dispute from her s, should we just ask help from waterob to block this user for a period of time at least as a warning? --Natokajun (talk) 14:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had my issues with some of Mehyarb119's s as well. I haven't seen anything about the number of episodes for The King Loves either, but 40 is a pretty unusual number; I rather doubt she just made it up. One thing she has done repeatedly is to enter incorrect Hangul titles for newly announced upcoming shows on the Upcoming KDrama list. It seems to me like she reads about a new drama on some site like Dramabeans or Soompi, adds English title to the Upcoming KDrama list and then back-translates the English title into Korean; they are nearly always wrong. And of course, I also wish she would learn to use the Edit 'Show Preview' button. LOL. Sadly, most all of these issues could be easily remedied if she could simply be made aware of and responded to our Talk inquiries. --FritzB (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. I hope one day she would find her way and discover the talk page so that all the problems can be solved, lol. I leave her for now but if got more dispute i'll try to bring up the issue to mods. --Natokajun (talk) 13:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

About official English titles

Hello, I am from CJ E&M's Global Content Division

Some of the English titles of our DRAMAS from tvN and OCN are incorrect. Is there a contact point (email addresses perhaps) where we can talk about previous titles, and send information on upcoming titles?

Any official information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. To contact me directly, click my username (FritzB) and select "Email this user" from the "Tools" menu on the left of your screen.--FritzB (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Keep Reviews on Show Page

Hi FritzB, I saw that you moved two reviews by Nova984 to new pages. I wanted to keep those reviews on the same page as the drama to make it easier for the users to get all the info. If you want, we can move the reviews under the "External Links" section. --Ruroshin (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2018 (PDT)

Well I can't say that I agree with this at all, but it's your site.
I have no beef with having people add reviews, but for the more popular dramas we could easily end up with multiple reviews, which would make the main pages horrendously long and ungainly. One of DramaWiki's most attractive features is it's clean, concise layout of detailed and strictly factual info, relatively free of fancruft. Cluttering up the main show pages with Reviews would run quite counter to that basic principle.
We routinely off-load supplemental info to subpages for things like OSTs, TV Ratings, Extended Cast, Plot Synopsis, etc... so it seemed quite reasonable to do likewise with Reviews. In fact when I had the thought of doing so, I went to create Category:Reviews, only to discover it already existed - I'm clearly not the first to come up with this idea. In addition, Reviews can often contain spoilers, which many users might not want to see inadvertently. Having them on a subpage would avoid this hazard.
Six Flying Dragons is a good example of a page with multiple subpages. It's clean and neat, but loaded with info and links to far more for anyone who is interested.
Just my 2 cents. --FritzB (talk) 07:07, 25 September 2018 (PDT)
Okay, let's keep it as it is.
What are your thoughts on expanding the Main Cast section? Should we add more details like the roles on the same page or separate pages as well? --Ruroshin (talk) 19:41, 25 September 2018 (PDT)
Okay, cool.
As far as expanding the Main Cast section, I think adding a detailed character profile would break-up the simplicity of the layout, unless it could be collapsible (like with some of the Ratings tables). I'm not sure if that's even technically possible. If not, I would link it to a subpage, perhaps Category:Characters (or something like that). Unfortunately, either case would probably be too complicated for most contributors to know how to format. Up 'til now we've generally stuck to simple descriptions in parentheses, ie. (Ji Soo's mother), (CEO of XYZ Company), etc... - just enough to ID the character.
I've had my hands full just keeping up with the basics of Casts and roles. I haven't been getting much help lately. Unfortunately, most of the new eager DW contributors seem intent on just adding useless fan trivia, rather than substantial contributions like creating Artist pages for the countless lesser-known Actors and Actresses that currently have none. :/ --FritzB (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2018 (PDT)


Can you rename "I'm a Mother, Too" to "I'm a Mother Too"? What's the difference between them? I think it's just grammatical mistake. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2020 (PST)

I could, but I'm disinclined to do so. While moving the actual page is easy enough, updating all of the 50+ pages that link to it and its sub-pages is simply more trouble than it is worth. "I'm a Mother, Too" is the title used on several other of the more popular English-language drama sites, such as HanCinema and MyDramaList. The title "I Am the Mother Too" is used on a few others. The differences are not particularly significant. --FritzB (talk) 09:35, 10 January 2020 (PST)
I added a redirect I Am the Mother Too, in case anyone searches for the other title. --FritzB (talk) 09:40, 10 January 2020 (PST)

Dead Man's Letter

Hi, please change the status of Dead Man's Letter to upcoming instead of unconfirmed. I cannot do it for some unknown reason on my phone. Thanks! Rp0804 (talk) 07:53, 16 April 2020 (PDT)

Done --FritzB (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2020 (PDT)
Thanks! By the way, it will air in the second half of 2020. Source: https://www.news1.kr/articles/?3899051&view=pc Rp0804 (talk) 08:25, 16 April 2020 (PDT)

Moving Page

Hi, I just want to ask why can't I moving page? it always said wrong database... thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 09:05, 17 May 2020 (PDT)

I'm having the same issue! I emailed Ruroshin already but still not resolved. --Natokajun (talk) 09:18, 17 May 2020 (PDT)
I do not know what the problem is, but it's likely a coding issue. Ruroshin is the only one who can fix this. In the meantime, I can move pages for you. Just tell me what pages you want to move. --FritzB (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2020 (PDT)
I see... I thought I made some mistake so can't move the page~~ but I trying now and it worked!! thanks alot for the help~~ Oh~ 1 question again~~ may I use Wade–Giles for taiwan actress/actor's name? to distinguish from chinese actor/actress? because there're some same name in pinyin but the chinese character were different~~ so the taiwanese use Wade–Giles (e.g: 張鈞甯; Zhang Jun Ning = Chang Chun Ning) , and the chinese remain use the hanyupinyin (张翰; Zhang Han) ~~ thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2020 (PDT)
I am glad to hear the page moving problem is fixed now. Ruroshin was working on it yesterday.
I am probably not the best person to ask questions about romanizing Chinese names. I know almost nothing on the subject. As a general rule, DW uses whatever western spelling is most commonly used in English articles. Alternate spellings can always be added with page redirects. --FritzB (talk) 06:11, 18 May 2020 (PDT)

creating Jung Gun Joo's page

hi, I want to create Jung Gun Joo's profile, but after clicked on the name, it said Warning: You are recreating a page that has been deleted. may I know the reason? can I recreate it? thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2020 (PDT)

Yes, feel free to create the new page. The previously deleted page was just a blank page created by accident by an anonymous user. --FritzB (talk) 07:49, 1 July 2020 (PDT)
Oh,, okay.. thanks for the info ^^. --Julia Chen (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2020 (PDT)

Untangle Lee Eon Jung?

The page url is now Lee Eon Jung and the name reads (according to DW standards) Lee Uhn Jung. The page Lee Uhn Jung (correct DW spelling) is a redirect to Lee Eon Jung (RR spelling).

To untangle, one must:

  1. Delete Lee Uhn Jung
  2. Move Lee Eon Jung to Lee Uhn Jung
  3. Optional: Create a redirect from Lee Eon Jung to Lee Uhn Jung

This name is an example on DramaWiki:Korean Personal Names Romanization Preferences and is just confusing... I can't delete, therefore I ask. --Vylmen

Yes, this is a good example of a page name reflecting common usage or artist preference over following DW guidelines. It appears the page was moved to Lee Eon Jung long after the guidelines were created in 2006. There are also two additional spelling variations redirected to the current main page as well, Lee Eon Jeong and Lee Un Jung.
We generally avoid moving pages unless there is a very compelling reason to do so (it leaves a big mess to clean-up with updating the displayed names on all of the linked pages). In this case, I would just leave the Lee Eon Jung page as it is. It would be helpful to update the couple of show page cast listings for Lee Eon Jeong and Lee Un Jung to Lee Eon Jung to match all of the others. --FritzB (talk) 05:48, 20 July 2020 (PDT)
(Updated redirects) Ok, so then we should find a better example for the documentation. --Vylmen (talk) 09:27, 20 July 2020 (PDT)

O and U in RR

I saw you corrected the RR for Oh Hyun Joong, and while I agree that there's no syllable rules in RR, we also have 오 in Oh Seung Hyun revised romanized as Oh Seung Hyeon, which is why I added a change in the RR converter. And you also see 우 RR's as Woo or Wu, which should be U, and yet Yang Jin-woo and Woo Do Hwan. Should we be strict and change them as we encounter them? --Vylmen (talk) 10:46, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

Alternate spellings are only optional, so there is no need to zealously update other listings. Normally I would have left it as 'Oh', as it is a far more common spelling of the surname, but I noticed the artist used 'O' in his own Instagram address. Some users might use that spelling for searches. --FritzB (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2020 (PDT)
So what do we default to? Reason I ask is that I created a tool for myself (screenshot) and am getting the kinks out. Your s are helping so I see prefs for capitalization and naming.--Vylmen (talk) 12:31, 6 August 2020 (PDT)
I would set it for 'O' and 'U', because it will usually be different from the primary spelling. The point of having the alternate spellings is to aid in searches. --FritzB (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2020 (PDT)

Tale of the Nine Tailed

Are you taking over that one? Cause I was done with it - at least incorporated all I could find and fixed styling. Just in case you put the in-use tag there for me. --Vylmen (talk) 05:07, 1 September 2020 (PDT)

Yes, thank you. You fixed a lot of it, but I'm going to add a few more things. The tag is just to discourage anyone else from doing an while I'm working on it. --FritzB (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2020 (PDT)
Handy tag. Seems like I missed a romanization exception, unless you're changing them for other reasons:
This probably need the exception for 의 => Ui --Vylmen (talk) 05:48, 1 September 2020 (PDT)
Yes, I've never seen 의 spelled as Ee. It's usually Ui (following RR) or sometimes Eui. --FritzB (talk) 05:53, 1 September 2020 (PDT)


I understand most of the changes, however, not why you changed episodes and air time. I took those from HanCinema (20 episodes - Mon, Tue 22:20) - should we not trust that? --Vylmen (talk) 07:22, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

When it comes to info on upcoming dramas, I'm suspicious of all but official network press releases. Much of the info for upcoming dramas on other sites like HanCinema, AsianWiki, MyDramaList, or Wikipedia are often just guesses (or just copied from a previous show page).
The current show in that time slot Do You Like Brahms? airs at 22:00 (HanCinema lists it as 22:20 - it could just be a typo). I would assume the time to stay the same unless I see something official that says otherwise. The official SBS promo for Penthouse just released today gives no air time yet.
20 episodes is not a typical number of episodes for prime time dramas these days (it used to be years ago). 16 is more usual these days. Again, nothing official yet.
HanCinema's Oct. 23 premiere date for Penthouse is certainly wrong (that's a Friday, not a Monday). They often are just guessing that the new show will premiere as soon as the current show ends. That would put it at Oct. 26. Sometimes it ends up being correct, but other times not. Shows can get preempted for breaking news or for holidays (like Chuseok), which could delay the premiere date.
Some other sites also list cast members that are not yet officially confirmed. Beware of that. On DW, we try to only list confirmed cast. --FritzB (talk) 10:03, 2 September 2020 (PDT)
Thanks! I'll keep that mind. Perhaps you could delete Que Sera, Sera 2 - I've seen nothing confirmed for that. What holiday is interfering with Do You Like Brahms? Cause a new series would start October 19th, not 26th according to my calculations. --Vylmen (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2020 (PDT)
I agree that Que Sera, Sera 2 looks like it won't air in 2020. I've seen no news or casting updates since last fall. Rather than delete the page, it could be tagged as {{unconfirmed}} with 'TBA' for the date for now. The show may have been shelved or cancelled. It happens. Not every announced show ends up getting produced.
Assuming no preemptions, Do You Like Brahms? should end on Oct. 20 (see: Do You Like Brahms?/Episode Ratings). If Penthouse were to start the following Monday, that would be Oct. 26. That's the date listed on Korean Wikipedia, though it seems like just a guess at this point. The networks rarely give definite premiere dates months in advance. As a Monday-Tuesday drama, Do You Like Brahms? shouldn't be preempted for any of the upcoming national holidays. The Chuseok holiday runs from Wednesday, Sep. 30 to Friday, Oct. 2 this year, so it shouldn't be an issue. Also, National Foundation Day is Saturday, Oct.3 and Hangul Day is Friday, Oct. 9. --FritzB (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2020 (PDT)
It's very unlikely going to be Que Sera, Sera 2 though. And frankly - fixing all the formatting now for something dead in the water... I don't see an upside to keeping it. And yeah, I counted Sep 28-29 twice, going from September to October on calendar. Thanks! --Vylmen (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2020 (PDT)

Alice (SBS) Trailer Link

Hi, can you replace the trailer link of Alice (SBS)? because the trailer was for Missing: The Other Side.. thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 05:43, 7 September 2020 (PDT)

I fixed it. Thanks! --FritzB (talk) 07:45, 7 September 2020 (PDT)

Move request

Could you move File:Guan Bo Zhang.jpeg to File:Zheng Bo Zhang.jpeg to match the page name change? TIA! --Vylmen (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2020 (PDT)

Done --FritzB (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2020 (PDT)

Got another one: File:Zhang Jun.jpg to File: Zhang Jun (writer).jpg. This is a picture of the writer and not the actor. In addition, I can't find a good alternative for the actor, so I'd rather have that reverted to no picture. --Vylmen (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2020 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 07:53, 23 November 2020 (PST)
Thanks! --Vylmen (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2020 (PST)

And another: File:Ceng An Qi.jpg to File:Zeng An Qi.jpg, I always mess up that character, but at least this time, I caught it in time and created the correct page. --Vylmen (talk) 11:05, 1 December 2020 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 14:18, 1 December 2020 (PST)
Thanks again :) --Vylmen (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2020 (PST)

For this voice actress: File:Yang Jing (2).jpg to File:Yang Jing (voice actress).jpg --Vylmen (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2021 (PST)

Done --FritzB (talk) 05:15, 10 February 2021 (PST)
Gracias! --Vylmen (talk) 08:37, 10 February 2021 (PST)

User pages and a double move request

It seems that any User page gives a 403 at the webserver level, so I'm guessing that mod_security has a new rule that conflicts with the subdomain setup of WikiMedia.

Second, could you please flip two files? File:Hai Yang.jpg and File:Hai Yang (2).jpg to match the flipping of the page name and then change the embed accordingly so that each filename matches the page name again. --Vylmen (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2020 (PDT)

I sorted out the image file names. I made one File:Hai Yang (1).jpg and the other File:Hai Yang (2).jpg.
The restricted access to User pages seems to be affecting everyone, including Admins like me. This is something for Ruroshin to fix. It's above my paygrade. --FritzB (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2020 (PDT)
I see you reported the permission error already. Thanks again for the File moves :) --Vylmen (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2020 (PDT)

Record of Youth OST

Hi, do you know whats wrong with Record of Youth OST page? I want to update the OST but it always say Error 403 - Forbidden. The other OST pages were OK, except this one. Please help to fix it. Thanks --Julia Chen (talk) 07:39, 8 October 2020 (PDT)

Ruroshin installed a new firewall to block spammers. It is causing some issues like this. --FritzB (talk) 08:49, 8 October 2020 (PDT)
Fixed. For the time being, until User:Ruroshin fixes it, you cannot use the word if followed by brackets. --Vylmen (talk)
Ruroshin has now fixed it. --FritzB (talk) 10:43, 8 October 2020 (PDT)
Okay,, thanks a lot --Julia Chen (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2020 (PDT)

Frequent "Sorry! We could not process your due to a loss of session data."

Hi! I was wondering if you also have frequent sessions missing. Like 1 in 4 saves doesn't go through, because my session was lost. Then I just click save again (sometimes needed again) and it works. Been happening for a few days now. It's getting a bit annoying. I have tried deleting cookies, but judging from the message the problem is server side, so it should affect other people too.--Vylmen (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2020 (PDT)

Yes, I've been seeing that message too. I suspect it is somehow related to the new firewall Ruroshin installed to block spammers. --FritzB (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2020 (PDT)
Please check and let me know if it's still an issue. --Ruroshin (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2020 (PDT)
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